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[Ice-tEA]

Hi Topkman,

You should definetively check if there's room to fit a Type III card. You were very lucky to have a Type I laptop that can fit a Type II, but Type III is quite a bit larger.

Furthermore, your laptop may not provide enough power or may not be capable of getting rid of the additional heat. This may lead your GPU to underclock automatically, crash often or simply not work at all.

If you can confirm that the mechanicall room is available, however, then I will gladly provide you with a 6800 to give it a try.

Iec-Tea

[dutty]

Hi Topkman,

You should definetively check if there's room to fit a Type III card. You were very lucky to have a Type I laptop that can fit a Type II, but Type III is quite a bit larger.

Furthermore, your laptop may not provide enough power or may not be capable of getting rid of the additional heat. This may lead your GPU to underclock automatically, crash often or simply not work at all.

If you can confirm that the mechanicall room is available, however, then I will gladly provide you with a 6800 to give it a try.

Iec-Tea

some corrections
we already knew that the a1667g has place for a mxm2 card, we discovered that months ago on thegamebooks.com. most uniwill barebones that are equipped with a mxm type 1 card can also fit 2/3 cards since uniwill makes barebones where oems can configure there laptops in all kinds of types.
btw, the a1667g should also be capable of carrying a mxm3 card (the only card that doesnt fit in is a MXM-HE as it has a totally different connector) as long as the caluclations are right
check out this post on thegamebooks forum
the laptop will provide enough power, thats out of question.
getting rid of the additional heat, that might be a problem, but it's an easy task to install a better fan.
a gpu doesnt underclock itself automatically, it starts to produce errors and glitches and then it dies
btw, the difference between mxm3 and 2 is 22mm in height and ~10mm in width.. the mxm space in the amilo 1667g has the size ~105mm x ~94mm (a mxm card has the size of ~72mm x ~74mm)..
so again, theoretically a mxm3 card would fit, but there are two types of mxm3 cards (30x30 core like mxm1/2; and 40x40 core) so a 40x40 wont fit for sure because of the heatpipe and not all cards will fit because of the memory layouts and stuff..

[Ice-tEA]

A few remarks...

The information on the thermal rating of the heatsink and the amount of available power is stored outside of the MXM, as it is a fucntion of the motherboard not the MXM. I'm not sure what will happen if one of both values is surpassed. IT may not boot, it may crash and the MXM may use this information to determine whether it can be supported if underclocked to a point where it operates within the given margins.

To quote nVIDIA:

Power Throttling
The MXM will automatically detect power supply limitations and thermal limitations
of the platform and will automatically throttle its clocks to stay within the power
and thermal limits. If the platform’s power supply and MXM thermal cooler are
equal to or exceeds the MXM power requirements, the MXM will run at full speed.
The MXM system information data contains the necessary information for MXM
throttling. This data is stored in either the SBIOS or the MXM system information
ROM on the system’s motherboard.

And I do not agree that we must not worry about the power the laptop can source. The MXM is provided with a few 'fixed' voltages and battery power. While the 'fixed' voltage are theoretically well defined, there's no way of telling the manu has cut a few corners.

Furthermore, drawing additional power from the battery results in higher internal losses, potentially below opeation point.

As far as I know, the 6800 that I can get have a 41mm distance between thermal mounting privisions. So it's the 35mm x 35 mm setup.

All said and done, If one of you guys can prove me your lappy has the room (it has to be something better than 'I've heard sopme dude who told my nephew that'. Please provide correct measurements) I'd be more than happy to provide the module.

In fact, I'd be happy to provide the first with a serious discount in case he'd be willing to document the process.

Regards,

Ice-Tea
MXM Upgrade[/quote]

[dutty]

A few remarks...

The information on the thermal rating of the heatsink and the amount of available power is stored outside of the MXM, as it is a fucntion of the motherboard not the MXM. I'm not sure what will happen if one of both values is surpassed. IT may not boot, it may crash and the MXM may use this information to determine whether it can be supported if underclocked to a point where it operates within the given margins.

To quote nVIDIA:

Power Throttling
The MXM will automatically detect power supply limitations and thermal limitations
of the platform and will automatically throttle its clocks to stay within the power
and thermal limits. If the platform’s power supply and MXM thermal cooler are
equal to or exceeds the MXM power requirements, the MXM will run at full speed.
The MXM system information data contains the necessary information for MXM
throttling. This data is stored in either the SBIOS or the MXM system information
ROM on the system’s motherboard.

And I do not agree that we must not worry about the power the laptop can source. The MXM is provided with a few 'fixed' voltages and battery power. While the 'fixed' voltage are theoretically well defined, there's no way of telling the manu has cut a few corners.

Furthermore, drawing additional power from the battery results in higher internal losses, potentially below opeation point.

As far as I know, the 6800 that I can get have a 41mm distance between thermal mounting privisions. So it's the 35mm x 35 mm setup.

All said and done, If one of you guys can prove me your lappy has the room (it has to be something better than 'I've heard sopme dude who told my nephew that'. Please provide correct measurements) I'd be more than happy to provide the module.

In fact, I'd be happy to provide the first with a serious discount in case he'd be willing to document the process.

Regards,

Kris Verbeeck
MXM Upgrade

very interesting! so i just learned something, i didnt know that the cards throttle their clock depending on the sysbios information.. well but that doesnt make much sense since you can overclock and the card wont get hotter.. maybe its one of those features that didnt make it into the retail specs?
i think the measurement is accurate enough to say that all three card-types fit into a 1667g, so i dont see why an accurate measurement is required. but maybe i'm wrong, if you want to have an exact measurement ask mazeke, he gave me those specs -he was the first to remove the heatpipe on a 1667g.

[Ice-tEA]

If Mazeke can confirm this, then the 1667 is on the map. I'd prefer to be able to verify a bit with a nice picture, but I'll take the chance if needed.

Those with different types of Amilos still need to verify this. I'm not gonna start shipping and stocking 6800's because it will 'probably' fit.

And I agree with you: the throttling may not be actually implemented as such, there's no telling. On the other hand, the unit may decide not to boot at all. Trial and error, I gues..

[dutty]

If Mazeke can confirm this, then the 1667 is on the map. I'd prefer to be able to verify a bit with a nice picture, but I'll take the chance if needed.

Those with different types of Amilos still need to verify this. I'm not gonna start shipping and stocking 6800's because it will 'probably' fit.

And I agree with you: the throttling may not be actually implemented as such, there's no telling. On the other hand, the unit may decide not to boot at all. Trial and error, I gues..

yes, true indeed.. and i never even slightly suggest you to stock some 6800s because of my statement..

so again, theoretically a mxm3 card would fit, but there are two types of mxm3 cards (30x30 core like mxm1/2; and 40x40 core) so a 40x40 wont fit for sure because of the heatpipe and not all cards will fit because of the memory layouts and stuff..

theoretically!
the whole subject is trial and error
if you check the link on the gamebooks you will see a picture of an open 1667g, you can even measure the exact size you know how to translate a pixel

[mazek]

At the moment I'm very busy, i hope i'll find some time the next days to approve if Type III fits

[Ice-tEA]

If Mazeke can confirm this, then the 1667 is on the map. I'd prefer to be able to verify a bit with a nice picture, but I'll take the chance if needed.

Those with different types of Amilos still need to verify this. I'm not gonna start shipping and stocking 6800's because it will 'probably' fit.

And I agree with you: the throttling may not be actually implemented as such, there's no telling. On the other hand, the unit may decide not to boot at all. Trial and error, I gues..

yes, true indeed.. and i never even slightly suggest you to stock some 6800s because of my statement..

I know. I just wanted you to understand the reasons why I'm a bit anal about confirmation first

so again, theoretically a mxm3 card would fit, but there are two types of mxm3 cards (30x30 core like mxm1/2; and 40x40 core) so a 40x40 wont fit for sure because of the heatpipe and not all cards will fit because of the memory layouts and stuff..

theoretically!
the whole subject is trial and error
if you check the link on the gamebooks you will see a picture of an open 1667g, you can even measure the exact size you know how to translate a pixel

Cool! I remember reading that, but at the time it didn't ring a bell.

As a reminder: I offer the 6800 @ 300€ (shipped) The person who wants to be the first tester can have it for 250€ (shipped) He has to thourougly document the process thoughThis person also benifits from a 100% refund tarif. Normally, shipping and general costs are substractet.

[hanson]

do you think you will get 7800 and do they work in the 3438 without big changes?

regards

[Ice-tEA]

do you think you will get 7800

Yes.

and do they work in the 3438 without big changes?

I don't know. Probably, but it has to be tried.

[agon84]

hanson hat folgendes geschrieben:
do you think you will get 7800


Yes.

hanson hat folgendes geschrieben:
and do they work in the 3438 without big changes?



I don't know. Probably, but it has to be tried.

this will be very interesting, if it's work.

[topkman]

Hello Ice-Tea, pls. give info when 6800GO is available. Thank you

[Ice-tEA]

Hi Topkman,

I have to check with my supplier for every order I get. If you're interested in one, just tell me and I'll see if I can get one with my next order.

Ice-Tea

[topkman]

ok nice. great offering . i agreed. I have sended may email-adress and shipping to feedback@mxm-upgrade.com.

ok. please notice: i have holiday between 15-23.06.06.

[Rallyfirst]

Hello!

My Notebook is an Amilo XI 1546 with an
ATI 1800 (MXM III I think....)

My 3D MARK 2006 is 3030. But I'am a Gamer only
and I'am playing allways the newest stuff. For
Games who coming up now as for example Gothic III
and GTR II the Power ist not enough to play that Games
with full effects.

Question: Do someone know, if I it is possible to put
an 1900 XX in my Notebook instead of that 1800?
Is it possible, to buy one at this time? And how much
would it cost?

Greetings
Rally